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A new VA rule change is going to have some undesirable repercussions on veterans across the nation.
Until recently, the 85/15 Rule said that the VA could not pay for a student’s education if they are in a program where more than 85% of the students have their tuition supported by either the college itself or the VA.
The new change is redefining what is considered a “supported student.” Previously it was “any student receiving VA benefits.” However, it will now be considered “any student who gets a scholarship grant from their school, who is granted a waiver or tuition and fee forgiveness, or any student using a payment plan”.
As you can see, the rule change will make it so a large number of non-veteran students fall under the 85/15 Rule.
This means that veterans who want to use their GI Bill could have a more difficult time enrolling at schools they want to attend.
Many think that the VA’s intention for changing the rule was an attempt to decrease predatory schools from trying to get veterans to enroll so they can get more money coming into the school from students using the Post 9/11 GI Bill.
While the VA’s motive of trying to prohibit schools from preying on veterans is worthwhile, many think this is not the way to go about it.
Several members of Congress agree, and have sent a letter to VA Secretary Denis McDonough requesting the following.
– To provide a list of schools and/or programs that have been suspended under the new guidance.
– Why the VA changed its guidance on the 85/15 Rule when the statutory language in section 3680 of title 38, United States Code, did not change?
– What training and communication has been provided to schools on how to implement this new guidance?
– If students are activated by the Guard or Reserve during their academic term, will they be unable to return to their educational program if it drops below the 85/15 ratio during their activation?
– What resources is VA providing to school certifying officials to ask questions and gain clarification about the new guidance?
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The letter included a suspense date of a reply back to Congress NLT December 1. The VA’s response (if there was one) has yet to be released to the press.
Never had any problems with the VA in Salisbury, NC
I have had COPD and sleep apnea for decades, non smoker and no family history of COPD. I was a Vietnam medic and my job was burning the s__t everyday mixed with diesel as well as burning medical waste. Lots of exposure to toxic fumes but VA refuses coverage. I really feel this is service related, plus heavy dust exposure when on vehicles in caravans where we could peel layers of dirt off of our faces.
I have all of the occurrences of the GWS… only I never went to war… How is it one person can have the same things someone who went to war has… the common factor was not war!
I did a research on Gulf War Illnesses
It would be nice if we could work together as veterans, but that will never happen. We never worked together when we were in because some of us didn’t like the color of someone else skin. This will always keep America divided. I think we need veterans to work in all the places that supposed to help us. We need real veterans in all areas of our government because they have been there, they know what we have been through, and they should understand what we really need. Start with your local government, then state, congress and the presidency.
I served for 10 years in the Army in various position tactical and strategic. I don’t know what units you were in but I never even saw racism. And my platoon sergeant and my team leader were not the same hue as me. We were all green and if you f’ed with one of you f’ed with all of us. I also find that most of the people who find racism are usually looking for it and I think that says more about them than it does about veteran’s.
Never saw any racism during my years of service, 1967-1969.
Because We were soldiers & did our jobs as a TEAM! Go Army & all the military.
the VA doctors did a great job on my AAA stents had two put in at Seattle Wa VA hosp
was that in a VA hospital or out sourced?
VA hosp.
I have Ischimic Heart disease now i have thriple by pass at 38 years old now got two stents for my heart in 2020 i got two sentients for my aorta AAA i had a ischæmic stroke and that is not coved ishimca is Ishima from my 2 years in Nam agent orange that should be added too for us
it has been
no not yet for ischæmic stroke
I just changed from a Medicare advantage plan to Medicare with a secondary insurance company. I’m 100% when I went to the VA with the advantage plan I never had to pay anything. Now I get less from SS plus I pay over $200.00 each month for secondary insurance . Why does my other insurance company have to pay anything. ????? Why doesn’t Medicare pay instead ??? Crazy Does anyone know. Thanks
As a 100% retired military disabled vet, I use the VA for 98% of my care and sometimes including community Care. We don’t pay the VA under status but I’m still trying to figure out how Medicare Humana honor plan is going to work.
Why did you change? Medicare pays the Advantage insurers to take care of your medical needs; when you have the secondary insurance company, it’s in addition to what Medicare pays. I’ve been on Advantage for 10 years and won’t change – particularly with the medical bills I’ve had lately.
being 100 percent, you don’t need anything but part A medicare. VA still my primary. I do not pay a dime.
As with me. They will not charge back to Medicare anyway. I told Social Security that since I was 100%, I didn’t want nor needed the Medicare insurance.
Because Medicare is considered your primary insurance. The other insurance is just like a pay if asked company.
You really shouldn’t do that! If you have access to medicare I highly recommend it! There is so much that can come up when it comes to outside medical that VA is not able to treat in house. That’s when Medicare can be used for as secondary payer. I am 💯 and have had multiple outside hospital stays/ treatments/surgeries, when I had to see outside doctors when the VA was not able to treat me. Medicare helps with the tab. Yes VA is supposed to cover most of the costs. But they don’t always. The rest of the bill I was able to send to Medicare. Mind you thats only covered IF the VA approved the treatment beforehand, which they are not always inclined to do in a hurry or at all for that fact! Then the outside treatment bill is all yours to figure out which can get really expensive with no other insurance to pay for it.
So true! I have Medicaire for my disabilities where the VA just keeps denying any fault.. I even have a thick medical folder from when in service. Medicaire is best!!!
I opted out of Medicare all together, as the VA does not use Medicare as a secondary . So why pay for something that is never used.
Fucking Government finds a way to screw the Soldier after using them for cannon fodder for a few years ?
#1 I was in the Corps for 4 years, 1966-1970 – two tours in Vietnam 67-69.
#2 I am 90% disabled, with 10% for unemployability. Equals 100%.
#3 Every facet of my disability directly relates to my time in the Corps.
That being said, there is a of of misunderstanding going on here. ANY condition, illness, disease or injury, directly related to your time in service is compensable. The emphasis should be on “directly related to your time in service”. Each condition is evaluated and assigned a percentage of disability. For instance I have loss of hearing related to gunfire, etc. The assigned percentage is 10%. When all of your disabilities are added up (in a formula that I don’t understand), you MAY be given compensation, and you can be treated for those conditions at VA facilities. When you are rated at 100%, they will treat you for any condition you have.Conditions brought on by civilian life (on the job injury, snake bite,hunting accident and so forth, are not service related. Just because you are in for to-three years, doesn’t mean they will take care of your teeth when you are 45. Get it?
If you think you have a service related condition that needs treatment, go find a VETERAN’S SERVICE OFFICER! just Google VSAO Near me.
Sorry, my typing sucks! That should be VSO near me. VSO means Veteran’s Service Officer. Where I live, the county even provides the service. And, for the most part, these people know their s***! It’s the best place to start.
USN from 1954/1963 dental prosthetic text. Uss orkinsay cva 34/naval training ctr San Diego, .three times, schooling NAS Miramar/USMC Camp Pendleton, Ca.. Thank you, all VA workers in Okla for your efforts in keeping me well. If it wasn’t for the VA I would be 6 feet under. Quit your bitching, appreciate what you have! Bill Johnson
I was just up at the VA to have blood taken and they tried to give me an excuse on why it was taking so long. You know what. I DON’T want to hear excuses You have a large budget and the place I went was a brand new building billed specifically for veterans and the VA. So what happened to those that worked at the old place when you closed. Why am I getting lip? You had to take an oath to even get hired by the VA. Why are we contracting and using a huge corporation to do our lab work. Do it in house cheaper and faster more efficient. I totally agree with everyone else. The VA doesn’t listen to us. It is time for Congress to know were we stand. Illegals deported. If you haven’t applied for asylum at embassy prior to coming here. You are automatically deported with no chance of entry. My wife is here legally and I have talked to others who are here legally., They don’t want them to have an automatic way here. Only the democrats want this for a way to have more votes. Lets get all the veterans organized as well.
Who told you, that you had to take an oath to get hired by the VA?. I only ask you because I worked for them for 35 years. I too get my care at the VA, and I had to listen to a bunch of Vets get loud and complain because they had to wait 20 minutes to get blood drawn. Go outside and get blood drawn and people were waiting for an hour. In my 35 years serving VETS, I saw quite a lot of VETS acting like children throwing temper tantrums when they weren’t seen as fast as they thought they should have been seen. I also watched other VETS who were waiting patiently, shake their heads at some of there temper tantrums VETS.
The V.A. was never designed to service all the vets. Many people chose the V.A. as their primary care provider when Obama made it mandatory to join Obamacare. When vets saw the free care they started to use the V.A.
Also Biden has sent V.A. providers to the border to process illegal migrants, sex offenders, drug dealers and terrorist. Americans are second. The Communist Democrats don’t care about the vets
REALLY! as vet to a vet you need some help look at who has pass the bill for the vet’s it was not the GOP! Do some research before you make a “ass of you and me”
Amen, Max
Bobby better to appear stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.. Communist Democrats, drug dealers and illegal immigrants? That is so ignorant I hardly know what to say to you. No one in any of those groups gets special treatment or pay.. Stop watching Fox News and educate yourself. Stop being a racist and ignorant piece of white trash. Where do you get this bullshit you spout. Grow up and educate yourself.
Patrick, that was a good one, Amen
Stop that stupid nonsense. You’re crazier then Duck. (“DT”)
Bobby when did you join or retire from the military. Going through VA has always been slow it has gotten slower because base closures and veterans going to the nearest facility they can. There are lot more veterans now than there was in the 80’s, so things will be slow. We have had more veterans coming from the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan than Vietnam.
It took 5 minutes on the outside no matter where we go to have blood drawn in civilian world. Course its a bi city.
100% in agreement!
They wonder why enlistment is down? When they take away the benefits that service gives you how can they be surprised that enlistment I’d down? We can allow millions of illegals to invade our border, send billions to Ukraine, leave massive amounts of military hardware most of it better than what our troops are using in Afghanistan and all the other waste the government does but screw veterans. They spend money giving housing to drug addicts but leave veterans out on the street homeless. Why would someone who sees all of this going on decide to enlist these days.? Sorry to seem like such a Debbie downer but It’s hard to listen to all of our fellow veterans who are fighting to get a fair shake. In this country the louder the voices the more they listen. We really need to organize into one group instead of the many different groups out there so they have to hear us.
You are 100% right
Absolutely
Don’t just talk about it . . . DO IT!
JOE IS AN IDIOT!! HE IS A NON-VET WHO AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF IS SCREWING EVERYTHING UP!! BY THE TIME WE GET RID OF THE KILLER THE MILITARY WILL BE DESTROYED!!
So you prefer that draft dodger and racist Trump? I support law and order Trump said. So where was his support on Jan 6th? North Korea is our friend along with Putin? After he thought bullying rocket man would make him our friend and what about the close door session with Putin? As for some of you that have no choice and have to use the VA. I sympathized with you. Those who are complaining about Obama Care. The entire time Trump was in office and his party in control of both the House and Senate? I ask you: “What did they do about health care?” I served from May 1982 to July 2003. Then another ten years with the Federal Government. Do I utilize the VA? No; it doesn’t take care of dependents the primary reason and admit hard to get or obtain an appointment because “I realize that I’m not the only one who exists going to maybe a brand new building, that also may have individuals who either are short staff or new working there or have the best pieces of equipment.” The keyword: If you don’t like it: VA Contact Representative, VA Center Manager, VA IG Office, State Senators, and etc.
Trump was not a draft dodger. He was rated unfit for service because of medical reasons. If you actually checked the number of people who are unfit for service in America you would want to leave the country. We are not a healthy nation when it comes to our younger generation. This is due to all the drugs our young people use. Also, when I worked on the Mexican border I was assigned to train five non-white “American:” applicants because they could not read or write. They tried to join the Border Patrol but could not speak, read or write English. These are the people who want to control our country. Very sad…
I bet you also supported him having classified documents. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. But in your last line, you’re saying anybody doesn’t have the right to apply for a job? Bone spurs really, If you still believe that nonsense then give back your stimulus checks.
My comment is going to Alphonso Manning
What’s your excuse for the draft dodgers we had back during the Vietnam war. The yellow bellies how ran to Canada instead of doing the right thing and fighting when called for.
Frederick, Trump avoided the military because he was rich and he wanted to go to college, also he had flat feet. A lot of people have served with flat feet. You are probably too young to know about Vietnam, all rich kids got out of going. Some rich kids wanted to go so they went. Flat feet want kill you.
Use my Post 9 /11 for BA and had two classes to finish for MBA and University of Phoenix wanted $15,000 for last two classes up front. Wow! What a let down
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I always was interested in this subject and still am, regards for posting.
It’s laborious to search out knowledgeable folks on this matter, however you sound like you know what you’re talking about! Thanks
Can my wife use the GI Bill?
Yes. That’s what I was told when I got out in 1981. Not just us, but spouses as well. If you’re disabled, I know that in the mid 1990s, that u and your family could use the Montgomery Bill. That’s WAY better than the GI BILL! It pays not just for your tuition, but also your supplies for school! You may want to check and see if that BILL still exists. I used it myself. That’s how I know! They’ll support you going to college to get as many degrees as you want! At least, during that time. Please check it out! Good Luck!!
I served in the Marine Corps for three years 77 to 80 and I can even get a fucking tooth pulled serve in my country so tell me what’s up
If it’s service connected or you’re 100% you get dental care. BUT I agree with you, they could see more VETS for dental who don’t qualify.
I SERVED 24 YEARS IN THE US NAVY WORKING IN THE DENTAL FIELD. 3 MONTHS AFTER RETIRING I WENT TO THE DENTAL CLINIC IN PENSACOLA AND THEY WOULDN’T EVEN SEE ME! SAD THING IS I RAN THERE CLINIC IN MERIDIAN, MISSISSIPPI FOR 3 YEARS!!
I was in the U.S.ARMY FROM 1975 TO 1981 I WAS IN THE FIELD ARTILLERY AND SUFFERED A HUGE HEARING LOSS A NEED TO FIND OUT WHO I NEED TO CONTACT ABOUT GETTING COMPENSATION FOR MY HEARING LOSS !!!! ANY INFORMATION YOU COULD PROVIDE TO ME WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED !!!!!!!!
Contact your local Veteran Service Officer and they will help you file the claim. (you can google Veteran Service Officers and it will give you a list of them so you can find the one closet to you)
Also, The American Legion has a VA officer. It’s free and they are sent to school filling out all the paperwork. Good luck….
Get an independent analysis done by a medical doctor or audiologist who will also write a letter stating that your hearing loss resulted from exposure to artillery and your working with artillery in the military. Include that in your application.
Ya gotta watch out for what the VA wants to do to you. Served thirty years, mostly full time Command Pilot in the Air National Guard, 11,000+ hours flight time. Viet Nam (Agent Orange prostate cancer, PTSD), Cold War Europe, Desert Shield Saudi Arabia, etc. 100% disability – then the VA said they wanted to “chat” with me about my cancer, which had returned after radical prostatectomy. After many years using Depends for incontinence. I got a bladder sling to keep from peeing my pants. When they “chatted” with me about it, they decided I didn’t pee enough in the night and withdrew $2200 a month from my benefits, even though I still have prostate cancer. Sneaky [email protected][email protected]?ds. If you’re in a similar situation where they want to have a “chat” with you, A: you don’t have to go, B: go to the DAV and get a representative to defend your case. I am fighting them right now.
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I would like to get my BA Certificate. I got it when I applied for but it is expired. If you can help I would appreciate it very much. I served 22 years in the Reserved and Nation Guard. My name is Leroy D. Johnson, SSN: 587985834, DOB: 11/13/1953, my address is 40 Ashford Street, Apartment 3, Allston, Massachusetts 02134, Phone 857/237/9089.
If your information is correct, why in the world would you post that here on a public forum. If you can retract/edit your post, do it immediately! You are a prime candidate for identification theft.
Exactly!
You need to get your personal information off of this thread, like yesterday!
USMC fighter pilot (F-8s & F-4s) 1963 thru 1968. No degree. G.I. Bill covered my 3-major BA, MBA, MPA, and PhD. Thank you!!
Unfortunately I fell in the period between the GI Bill and VEAP so did not get any college assistance and had to cover the costs myself. 15 years later and I am still paying on student loans.
The government has not held up it promises for the Cold War period veterans.
Promised on retirement- Health Care for life at no cost,
Actual- Monthly fee and copays of 20%-50% on covered items
Promised on retirement-Dental Care for life
Actual- Dental care only available through specific private providers, Monthly fee and copays of 20%-50% on covered items.
I agree. I came in 1973 during Vietnam and have all my benefits taken away by co pays and not qualifying as a 21 year veteran.
This government does not care about us the more they can take away from us the more they can give to
illegals and pay for their ridiculous woke programs
AMEN BROTHER! You nailed it!!
Veterans…A Necessary Liability…????
Yes, all of that and what they can put into their pockets.
I hope this thread will change the VA’s current plan. Our military deserves an excellent program to help elevate their lives after serving their country. God Bless America!
Would like to see more benefits extended to widows.
I agree. Especially if the Veteran dues before the 10 year period of being Permanent and Totally Disabled by the VA.
So would I. I am 100% disabled from service connected Agent Orange diseases, (lung cancer, brain cancer, Ischimic Heart disease, two types of Malaria, PTSD. I’ve been 100% since 1995. When I die my wife will only get half my VA money. Congress could care less, especially the GOP who vote against veteran bills over an over. Keep calling your congressman and senator. Hope the D.A.V would put more pressure on them.
Do you belong to the American Leigon they may very well be able to help you out !!! There over 2 million people strong !!!!
Yes me to
I used my Gibill to get my bachelors degree
I used my GI Bill for my Bachelors degree in computer science and all of my MBA requirements except the last course.
University of Phoenix HAHA, thats not a real “university”
Agreed.
Obviously you failed the Professionalism course. 🤣
For sure. University is a joke and scam
I got a friend who got a BA in education from the University of Phoenix and has been a school teacher for the last ten years. It was legit then.
Marine Corps is the best. Loyalty and Discipline
Served three years. Korean Vet. Retired as a SGT EG
I have always had great respect for the Marine Corps. Thank you for your service, Robert.
Hooooooooawwwwwwwww.
Proper spelling is Hooah!
SHUT UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Yes Sir – I Thank the Almighty God everyday for Our Beloved Corps and for the Opportunity I had because of all you guys who greased the skids before me – It was God and the Corps that made me the man I am today – HONOR – COURAGE – COMMITMENT – This is Our ETHOS – Served from age 25 to 48 – 23 Action Packed – Fun Years – Around the World twice – four (4) Continents – One (1) War – traveled all over this Great Nation – OOOOHHHH RRRAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Semper Fidelis! And God Bless America! “IN GOD WE TRUST” USMC Ret 1987 MCRD San Diego CA – 2010 – Ist Marine Logistics Group – 1st Marine Expeditionary Force – Camp Pendleton CA
It doesn’t “impact”, it AFFECTS. Those words are NOT interchangeable.
I love a man who knows his grammar.
What it comes down to in simple terms it means a lot of guys that served is not going to be able to go to school they don’t realize that most of us are struggling as it is here we are trying to make ourselves better and we lose out. Why is it a rule change that the VA makes affects US veterans and we are always on the losing end
It may “affect” the Veteran, but if you do not have a fat wallet you will definitely feel the “Impact” in the area of your gluteus maximus.
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University of phoenix did this to me. They told me from the beginning that I could only take one class at a time and they pretty much charged me the same as if I was full time in another school taking 3 courses at a time. Bc of what they did I used more of my gi bill for less credits than it should have been.
I went to the University of Phoenix as well but I had a different experience. They told me that its on a time basis rather than a course basis (which implies the same thing). Said I could enroll in multiple classes or one class and I would be charged against the G.I. Bill for the flat time of the enrollment period. I specifically asked for one class at time time BECAUSE they considered it full time. I have my degree already prior to enlistment.